Raena Morgan: It's believed that the immune system protects us against cancer. Has your research indicated otherwise Andreas?
Andreas Moritz: The immune system is always there to keep the body free of contaminants. We have things like microphages that devour waste products, toxins, you know chemicals get, basically converted into harmless matter. And they are mostly circulating in the lymphatic system. So the immune cells that are there to first of all, make sure that the body is toxin free. If that is no longer possible because of organs such as the liver, the large intestine, the lungs and the kidneys and the skin, they become overtaxed with toxins, they're no longer eliminating them as quickly as they're generated, then the body is basically forced to start accumulating elsewhere. And that means in the tissue fluid surrounding the cells. And the lymphatic system has little ducts, they're little capillaries that are draining away. It's like vacuum away, like a vacuum. Sucking up all the harmful ingredients and metabolic waste products, and converting them, detoxifying them in the lymphatic system, using the immune system's arsenal of weapons.
When there are simply too many toxins created, usually in the gastrointestinal tract, that then make their way into the lymphatic system, then the immune system gets tired of constantly battling those poisons and they can no longer be removed. And that's where the body starts accumulating toxins. So the first line of defense, the immune system, is working at trying to keep, you know, the body healthy.
Morgan: But it gets overloaded.
Moritz: And then eventually, when the suffocation occurs, when the cells can no longer breathe enough oxygen, they don't get enough nutrients, and they will have to mutate into cancer cells to maintain some kind of functioning or to draw the poisons away, like mushrooms pulling the poisons from the soil of the forest, in order to keep the rest of the forest healthy. So in nature, we have similar situations. In our body, we do the same thing if we become contaminated. And then the immune system will make sure that it doesn't attack those cancer cells, those particular types of cancer cells.
Morgan: It won't?
Moritz: No, it won't. Because they're... when you look at a tumor, 60% of the cells in the tumor are actually white cells. White blood cells. That are immune cells that are not doing anything to get rid of or kill the cancer cells. Typically a healthy body will kill millions of cancer cells per day. Because when you turn over 30 billion cells you always have some of them that are cancer cells. And the immune system immediately takes care of them. There are different ways to do that. Some cells, killer cells, they drill holes into the body of a cancer cell and it explodes and it is gone. And then the debris is also removed. So there's no problem for the immune system doing that in a healthy person. But once you have suffocation building up in the body, it's a totally different ballgame.
The immune system will be informed by the cancer cell, there's a protein produced by a cancer cell that attaches itself to the surface of the cancer cell and says 'don't touch me.' An immune cell is recognizing that and says 'ok, I'm not gonna touch you.' So it leaves the cancer cells alone.
Morgan: It's a protein?
Moritz: Yes, it's a particular protein that is getting to the surface of the cancer cell, and it says 'don't touch me. I'm, you know don't do anything to me. I'm on your side. I'm a helper cell. I'm a cancer cell that does a good job. If you kill me, then I won't be able to do that job, that dirty job in cleaning up the environment.' So the immune system is very, very cleaver. It's just in medicine, in conventional medicine we think that the body is stupid. They think it makes so many mistakes, 44 thousand different mistakes. There is no such thing as a mistake. Even a genetic mistake, that is something that is a compensation mechanism. It prevents a much more serious disaster that otherwise would happen. So it's important to take it into perspective that there's wisdom behind every action that the body is producing, and it's not that the body is just incapable and we need to rescue it. The healing always has to take place in the body, by the body. We cannot do that for the body. We can set the preconditions for the body to heal, and that is our job and that is the responsibility of every person. And sometimes we need a little help, someone telling us what to do. But in real effect, the body has to do the job of healing itself, there's no other way.
Morgan: That's very interesting now that you say the immune system backs off.
Morgan: At a certain point when it can't cleanse the body any longer.
Moritz: Yes, when it is, basically passing on the responsibility of doing the dirty job that the lymphatic system and immune system is no longer capable of, then the body will have to take recourse to cancer cells. And most of the contamination starts in the digestive system. Undigested food is the greatest source of poisoning the body. Bacteria that decompose the undigested food produce amines, nitrousamins, cadavarines, putrescine, poisons that are so poisonous, if you smell it outside, there is fermenting, rotting food. Or an animal that is run over and a couple of days later you pass by and you smell that stench. That is the poison that we create in our body. So the body will have to defend itself against those poisons because they are absorbed into the lymphatic system from the intestines. The intestines are very protective of themselves. They don't want this thing to... that stuff to go through into the rectum area and cause damage, severe damage to the rectum. It wants to make sure that the worst poisons are absorbed into the lymphatic system where the poisons can be neutralized in some way or another. If they are initially dealt with by the immune system, or if the immune system is not capable of breaking them down, then they start... they are surrounded by fat cells or they are absorbed by fat cells. And that requires an increase of fat growth in the body. Or they are absorbed or surrounded by fluids that are then increasing the fluid content in the body which we call swelling or weight gain.
And so the weight gain begins in the gastrointestinal tract, mostly in the belly button area where there is a lymph center which is called cisterna chyli. And that is the largest lymph vessel system we have in the body. And that begins to become ademic as it tries to deal with the poisons and that's what you call 'oh, I'm getting a tummy. I'm starting to get fat.' And then it starts spreading to other parts of the body until the whole body is basically accumulating fat cells and fluids and water, lymph fluid, which just shows just how contaminated the body is.
Morgan: Thank you for that information.
In this incredible interview from 2009, Andreas Moritz explains how cancer starts in the body. He also explains why the immune system often leaves cancer cells alone as well as what the cancer is actually trying to do to protect the body.
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